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		<title>Comment on Why the Beast is More Dangerous than Gaston (2/3) by Thomas Fanning</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 06:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why am I on the internet at this late hour?   Because I am in enough pain that I can&#039;t sleep anyway (it&#039;s okay though, we won the game), and the only thing that takes my mind off it is stimulating conversation.  That and I was stalking you on Facebook to see why you missed today.  I hope you and those you love are well.  We&#039;re praying for you.

So in-between installments 1 and 2, our family went to Disney, saw the new B&amp;B attraction, and my son got kissed by Belle and my daughter received a bookmark from Belle.  Actually, we went to B&amp;B twice.

My kids don&#039;t really understand gender differences at this point (they&#039;re 3.5 and 4.5) but they love B&amp;B.  Like you said, if the parents are there, it can be an entirely different story.  We leave out the romantic aspects all together.  Obviously, this won&#039;t work when she&#039;s a teenager, and I&#039;ll certainly use the insights you have provided to help her understand what is unacceptable in a man that she is seeking a relationship with.  Here are some positives she has learned from B&amp;B.  

My daughter understands that just as Christ was willing to die because he loved us, Belle was willing to die in Beast&#039;s prison so that the person she loves could go free.  For now, that goes with the assumption &quot;so Belle must have been a Christian, because only Christ&#039;s love can cause a person to be willing to sacrifice themselves that way.&quot;  And she was an educated person in France somewhere between 1300 and 1750, so that&#039;s certainly plausible.  And while it is true that non-Christians have sacrificed themselves for the good of others I don&#039;t know if they can do that without it either being for the wrong reasons or somehow Christ was within them and we just didn&#039;t know.  Anyway, we&#039;ll deepen that as she matures, like when she&#039;s 7 or so.

There is a certain, distinct musical theme that plays when Beast is transforming.  That, we say, is the Holy Spirit coming into his life.  While what they show on TV is him becoming beautiful on the outside, but Bethany and I &quot;know&quot; that what they&#039;re trying to show is that he&#039;s being changed on the inside as well into a new creation.  

And of course, in the end, good wins, the same power that transformed the Beast transforms &quot;creation,&quot; and they live happily ever after.  Assuming they were Christians, as my daughter currently does, that is thoroughly Christian ending.  God saves us, we and all creation will be transformed, and we win.  

So yes, watched as a romantic love story, everything you have said is sadly true.  Hopefully Bethany and all that watch the movie don&#039;t learn to seek a non-Christian who is angry and abusive and controlling, or even a Christian with similar issues.  

But when I watch the movie apart from romance (which I know isn&#039;t how the story is intended, but for a 4 year old it works), it has some useful parts to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why am I on the internet at this late hour?   Because I am in enough pain that I can&#8217;t sleep anyway (it&#8217;s okay though, we won the game), and the only thing that takes my mind off it is stimulating conversation.  That and I was stalking you on Facebook to see why you missed today.  I hope you and those you love are well.  We&#8217;re praying for you.</p>
<p>So in-between installments 1 and 2, our family went to Disney, saw the new B&amp;B attraction, and my son got kissed by Belle and my daughter received a bookmark from Belle.  Actually, we went to B&amp;B twice.</p>
<p>My kids don&#8217;t really understand gender differences at this point (they&#8217;re 3.5 and 4.5) but they love B&amp;B.  Like you said, if the parents are there, it can be an entirely different story.  We leave out the romantic aspects all together.  Obviously, this won&#8217;t work when she&#8217;s a teenager, and I&#8217;ll certainly use the insights you have provided to help her understand what is unacceptable in a man that she is seeking a relationship with.  Here are some positives she has learned from B&amp;B.  </p>
<p>My daughter understands that just as Christ was willing to die because he loved us, Belle was willing to die in Beast&#8217;s prison so that the person she loves could go free.  For now, that goes with the assumption &#8220;so Belle must have been a Christian, because only Christ&#8217;s love can cause a person to be willing to sacrifice themselves that way.&#8221;  And she was an educated person in France somewhere between 1300 and 1750, so that&#8217;s certainly plausible.  And while it is true that non-Christians have sacrificed themselves for the good of others I don&#8217;t know if they can do that without it either being for the wrong reasons or somehow Christ was within them and we just didn&#8217;t know.  Anyway, we&#8217;ll deepen that as she matures, like when she&#8217;s 7 or so.</p>
<p>There is a certain, distinct musical theme that plays when Beast is transforming.  That, we say, is the Holy Spirit coming into his life.  While what they show on TV is him becoming beautiful on the outside, but Bethany and I &#8220;know&#8221; that what they&#8217;re trying to show is that he&#8217;s being changed on the inside as well into a new creation.  </p>
<p>And of course, in the end, good wins, the same power that transformed the Beast transforms &#8220;creation,&#8221; and they live happily ever after.  Assuming they were Christians, as my daughter currently does, that is thoroughly Christian ending.  God saves us, we and all creation will be transformed, and we win.  </p>
<p>So yes, watched as a romantic love story, everything you have said is sadly true.  Hopefully Bethany and all that watch the movie don&#8217;t learn to seek a non-Christian who is angry and abusive and controlling, or even a Christian with similar issues.  </p>
<p>But when I watch the movie apart from romance (which I know isn&#8217;t how the story is intended, but for a 4 year old it works), it has some useful parts to it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why the Beast is More Dangerous than Gaston (2/3) by calebshenry</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 02:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just wanted to say that I&#039;ve been enjoying reading these last couple of posts . . . looking forward to the third/final installment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to say that I&#8217;ve been enjoying reading these last couple of posts . . . looking forward to the third/final installment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Tim Tebow&#8217;s Life is a Tragedy: a Song of Goats, Gators, Broncos, and Jets by Création de logo</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 01:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for these explanations.]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Why the Beast is More Dangerous than Gaston* (1/2) by thefuerstshallbelast</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marcus - great point about teaching kids to watch/read critically from an early age. I just read a piece by the gospel coalition yesterday that said such thinking would ruin their imagination development. To me, imagination is fostered in the ability to think critically about the world around us. So I disagreed with the article. 

Definitely didn&#039;t see a Twilight reference coming! But good call!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus &#8211; great point about teaching kids to watch/read critically from an early age. I just read a piece by the gospel coalition yesterday that said such thinking would ruin their imagination development. To me, imagination is fostered in the ability to think critically about the world around us. So I disagreed with the article. </p>
<p>Definitely didn&#8217;t see a Twilight reference coming! But good call!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why the Beast is More Dangerous than Gaston* (1/2) by thefuerstshallbelast</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meredith, that was a fantastic comment. Thank you for the kind words. But mostly, thank you for the vulnerability of the comment. As a person who has also stuggled with similar things regarding parents (though, clearly from a male vantage point), I can understand how confusing the intersect of God and parents can be. 

As to your questions - I do think the Beast transformed. And to the degree that he did, that is commendable. But I don&#039;t think his transformation was complete. It just didn&#039;t go far enough. 

My biggest struggle with his &#039;redemption&#039; in the story is simply that the movie sends messages that Bell was the one who redeemed him. I have concerns that that tells little girls/women, &quot;You may have a beast of a father/boyfriend/husband, but if you love him enough and obey him enough, he will change.&quot; And to me, that&#039;s just a receipt for further abuse. 

Question - Can I post a clip of your comment on my facebook page where I linked this article? There&#039;s a discussion happening there and I&#039;d like to get your thoughts in it. I won&#039;t cite you name if you don&#039;t want. But I will if you do want. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meredith, that was a fantastic comment. Thank you for the kind words. But mostly, thank you for the vulnerability of the comment. As a person who has also stuggled with similar things regarding parents (though, clearly from a male vantage point), I can understand how confusing the intersect of God and parents can be. </p>
<p>As to your questions &#8211; I do think the Beast transformed. And to the degree that he did, that is commendable. But I don&#8217;t think his transformation was complete. It just didn&#8217;t go far enough. </p>
<p>My biggest struggle with his &#8216;redemption&#8217; in the story is simply that the movie sends messages that Bell was the one who redeemed him. I have concerns that that tells little girls/women, &#8220;You may have a beast of a father/boyfriend/husband, but if you love him enough and obey him enough, he will change.&#8221; And to me, that&#8217;s just a receipt for further abuse. </p>
<p>Question &#8211; Can I post a clip of your comment on my facebook page where I linked this article? There&#8217;s a discussion happening there and I&#8217;d like to get your thoughts in it. I won&#8217;t cite you name if you don&#8217;t want. But I will if you do want. </p>
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		<title>Comment on Why the Beast is More Dangerous than Gaston* (1/2) by Marcus Werner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcus Werner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 20:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[B&amp;B was not a favorite of mine. There really isn&#039;t much in there for a young boy, and it came out right around the age I was starting to feel I was &quot;too old for that kind of stuff&quot; (but not yet old enough to realize that&#039;s a stupid way to look at things). So I&#039;m only passingly familiar with it. My sister enjoyed it though, so I&#039;ve seen bits and pieces numerous times.

The thing that always jumped out at me though, was /why isn&#039;t the beast a bad guy?/

I never once bought into what Disney was pushing in that film and I always saw Gaston as an obvious, overdone stereotype.

I say all that to say this. Maybe kids can see that. You can never start a kid on criticism too early I think, and I think sitting down with them and discussing how &quot;just because a movie says we should sympathize with a character doesn&#039;t mean they can&#039;t be wrong&quot;. When I have kids of my own, I hope to use movies like this to open a dialogue with them about how movies aren&#039;t like real life most of the time and we don&#039;t have to agree with a movie&#039;s view.

Along the way (in this movie&#039;s case) you could teach a few lessons about self-worth. It should provide a good defense against any future Twilight interests.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B&amp;B was not a favorite of mine. There really isn&#8217;t much in there for a young boy, and it came out right around the age I was starting to feel I was &#8220;too old for that kind of stuff&#8221; (but not yet old enough to realize that&#8217;s a stupid way to look at things). So I&#8217;m only passingly familiar with it. My sister enjoyed it though, so I&#8217;ve seen bits and pieces numerous times.</p>
<p>The thing that always jumped out at me though, was /why isn&#8217;t the beast a bad guy?/</p>
<p>I never once bought into what Disney was pushing in that film and I always saw Gaston as an obvious, overdone stereotype.</p>
<p>I say all that to say this. Maybe kids can see that. You can never start a kid on criticism too early I think, and I think sitting down with them and discussing how &#8220;just because a movie says we should sympathize with a character doesn&#8217;t mean they can&#8217;t be wrong&#8221;. When I have kids of my own, I hope to use movies like this to open a dialogue with them about how movies aren&#8217;t like real life most of the time and we don&#8217;t have to agree with a movie&#8217;s view.</p>
<p>Along the way (in this movie&#8217;s case) you could teach a few lessons about self-worth. It should provide a good defense against any future Twilight interests.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why the Beast is More Dangerous than Gaston* (1/2) by Meredith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meredith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a little sad right now, I must admit. You&#039;ve just pointed at and poked at something from my favorite Disney movie growing up that I have not seen previously. I don&#039;t think you&#039;re completely wrong and maybe that&#039;s why I&#039;m a bit sad. If only we had Dad&#039;s like you who looked from this angle, concerned about what lessons his little girl was learning from Belle. Maybe that&#039;s why it&#039;s been hard for me to see this. Growing up, the Gastons were obvious and easier to resist and resent. Though present in my world, I hated every Gaston-like encounter. However, I lived in the much &quot;more subtle&quot; world of patriarchy, where my own father was more like the Beast. And I do love my father, desperately, as most little girls do. For every controlling aspect, there is one of the most tender loving affection. It&#039;s confusing as heck and incredibly difficult to sort out, even at 30. In many ways, I was still asking &quot;permission&quot; even after I became an adult and even after I got married. That&#039;s messed up. Unfortunately, the way we see our father is often the way we see The Father. This is true in my case. So even though I am sad right now, I&#039;m glad I read this post. I need men like you to reflect a different image of God. You have no idea how powerful that is. Thank you for doing that. 

My question is, at the end, did the Beast transform? Did the work of love redeem him? I&#039;d like to think so. Maybe I still want to believe in the fairytale. Not that women should be co-dependent in their relationships in hopes that their &quot;love&quot; will save/transform/redeem, because that&#039;s unhealthy. 

Looking forward to post #2.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little sad right now, I must admit. You&#8217;ve just pointed at and poked at something from my favorite Disney movie growing up that I have not seen previously. I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re completely wrong and maybe that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m a bit sad. If only we had Dad&#8217;s like you who looked from this angle, concerned about what lessons his little girl was learning from Belle. Maybe that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s been hard for me to see this. Growing up, the Gastons were obvious and easier to resist and resent. Though present in my world, I hated every Gaston-like encounter. However, I lived in the much &#8220;more subtle&#8221; world of patriarchy, where my own father was more like the Beast. And I do love my father, desperately, as most little girls do. For every controlling aspect, there is one of the most tender loving affection. It&#8217;s confusing as heck and incredibly difficult to sort out, even at 30. In many ways, I was still asking &#8220;permission&#8221; even after I became an adult and even after I got married. That&#8217;s messed up. Unfortunately, the way we see our father is often the way we see The Father. This is true in my case. So even though I am sad right now, I&#8217;m glad I read this post. I need men like you to reflect a different image of God. You have no idea how powerful that is. Thank you for doing that. </p>
<p>My question is, at the end, did the Beast transform? Did the work of love redeem him? I&#8217;d like to think so. Maybe I still want to believe in the fairytale. Not that women should be co-dependent in their relationships in hopes that their &#8220;love&#8221; will save/transform/redeem, because that&#8217;s unhealthy. </p>
<p>Looking forward to post #2.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 20:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know many people don&#039;t really realize the benefits of blogging. Or even just how much effort that goes into creating a blog website. Truthfully blogging is often alot of fun as well as a wonderful means to increase your own brand or maybe internet business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know many people don&#8217;t really realize the benefits of blogging. Or even just how much effort that goes into creating a blog website. Truthfully blogging is often alot of fun as well as a wonderful means to increase your own brand or maybe internet business.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Help Me Understand Wesley&#8230; by ryan strebeck</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom, If this hadn&#039;t been answered so well already i would&#039;ve given it a shot since you asked - but you&#039;re better off this way! Teddy has to be the only executive pastor in history to be such a hoss with a pen, and marcus and jonathan thanks for your input as well. i like the phrase &#039;natural weakness&#039; which can easily cover mental and physical limitations/imperfections not to be confused with willful sin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, If this hadn&#8217;t been answered so well already i would&#8217;ve given it a shot since you asked &#8211; but you&#8217;re better off this way! Teddy has to be the only executive pastor in history to be such a hoss with a pen, and marcus and jonathan thanks for your input as well. i like the phrase &#8216;natural weakness&#8217; which can easily cover mental and physical limitations/imperfections not to be confused with willful sin.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Help Me Understand Wesley&#8230; by Marcus Green (@salvationssongs)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcus Green (@salvationssongs)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That makes me smile! As I finished I thought - it&#039;s kind of the difference between the NIV &amp; The Message. And then I thought - hey, this is for Tom Fuerst; aim high. But my Greek wasn&#039;t good enough to go there, so my Eugene Peterson impersonation was the best I could do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That makes me smile! As I finished I thought &#8211; it&#8217;s kind of the difference between the NIV &amp; The Message. And then I thought &#8211; hey, this is for Tom Fuerst; aim high. But my Greek wasn&#8217;t good enough to go there, so my Eugene Peterson impersonation was the best I could do.</p>
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